johnson4 Posted May 7, 2022 Share Posted May 7, 2022 (edited) is it driving anyone else crazy? It seems the film can never stay consistent. From the beginning I have used 2 peoples films without issue. Since then I have tried multiples sources because it seems the "PET" portion is different now to aid in powder adhesion. I prefer matte finish films, I just hate looking at glossy prints, it has always made me feel like it was " cheap". Most of my customers agree and choose my products over others for this very reason, so it's not an option to use glossy finish films to me. I started using matte finish films in January 2021. So pretty much 95 percent of the films I use are matte finish films. I had found a guy in china who had some good stuff, single sided worked great. I purchased around 30ish rolls of it. over the course of time I would order small bits here and there to maintain a level of stock. Of course, each batch was a bit different, but easily adjustable to. The most common problem with this film was the powder would stick to it, but that wasn't an issue, because for me I was able to just turn my shaker up a bit more and it came out perfect. I mean, perfect. Since then, I have tried other brands and suppliers of films, even re-ordered more from this same guy in china. Most of them seem to be made of a different material now, like the PET portion of it- all of them are about the same. The edges are now glossy and the film is thicker. I get it, alot of people had issues in this area with film. But the part that drives me insane, is that it seems like it is always a constant battle to just find consistency. So before, people had issues with the powder sticking, now I am having issues with not enough powder sticking. Imagine that. So I never really had issues with powder sticking, or really anything at all. It was all fixed with small adjustments. However, now I am in the middle of trying a few brands of film and they all suffer similar problems on this new type of "PET". Yes, no more powder sticks to the film ( which was never really an issue) yes they are thicker films and epsons seem to like them better. I personally expected changes from my "larger batch" and by the time I ordered again, but I didn't expect it to be almost unmanageable. Here is how almost all of the new film I have tried is working for me: 1. the film will curl a bit when cut, turned the temperature down a bit- fixed. 2. not enough powder will stick to the prints. even with no shaking/slapping. I have tried increasing the ink percentages- nothing. The only thing that worked was using the chinese powder- which in turn was too much powder- Can't turn my shaker up enough to get less. Decreased ink percentage- didn't help. So one powder won't really stick at all, one sticks too much. weird. 3. prints falling off the film when handled. I have verified they are cured correctly with temperature, by letting them sit and looking for "oil" spots, I have tested outcomes with too low and too high temperatures, longer or less cure times. So for example, I can cure and lay down a sheet ( or roll) and it be fine. I come back the next day, pick it up, stuff just falls off. Same with pressing- the auto open heat press instant peels the film for me- meaning the film falls off when it opens the press. 4. the double matte out there that I have tried also works, but I end up with white specs everywhere from the rollers picking it up on conversions. When I say everywhere I mean random bits that fall off the rollers when it builds up enough. So basically, I have spent the last 2 weeks trying to get back where I should be because of the film differences. I am using the same machines and shakers, I can swap in an older roll of film and print without any issues at all. My largest issue is the prints just peeling up for no reason. Even overcured, or undercured to an extreme do this. My only explanation- maybe the film shrinks/expands as it cools and heats making this happen. Overall, it's driving me crazy and making me send product out of the door I am not happy with. Anyone else experience any of this? overall it's great for people who print and press- couldn't be better. But for people who store or ship these things, it's a nightmare. Edited May 7, 2022 by johnson4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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