johnson4 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 57 minutes ago, Andy - Admin said: I just put the powder in a tupperware container and shake it on then run it through a screen print dryer. How did that turn out on the garment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 Not great. This one ended up having some banding in the black (shouldn't have printed black on a black shirt, my mess up) and I didn't wipe the powder off enough. I'm printing in the shop not the offices so temperature in the room was around 85 and low humidity so that could be the issue. Just like DTG I can see there is a bit of a learning curve. I think once I have final Kothari settings environments all saved it won't be as hard for the next person. I have the same supplier as Hobby Print that has thoroughly tested this stuff for months so I know it's me not the supplies at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 I will say it held the small dots and stars well so that's promising for doing tag prints and small stuff that isn't part of a large block. That image is only 6 inches wide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 15 minutes ago, Andy - Admin said: Not great. This one ended up having some banding in the black (shouldn't have printed black on a black shirt, my mess up) and I didn't wipe the powder off enough. I'm printing in the shop not the offices so temperature in the room was around 85 and low humidity so that could be the issue. Just like DTG I can see there is a bit of a learning curve. I think once I have final Kothari settings environments all saved it won't be as hard for the next person. I have the same supplier as Hobby Print that has thoroughly tested this stuff for months so I know it's me not the supplies at this point. Still looks really good, that's what happened to me as well when the powder wasn't fully removed from the sheet ( I'm comparing this to actual plastisol transfers). Other than that, which is a pretty easy to do thing, it looks really good. The small details are outstanding. When your removing the powder, do you "flick" the film? It helped me anyway when I did that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 It's really odd how similar that film looks to the Film that I have from other types of transfers. I wonder if the "magic" really is in the ink... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 7, 2020 Share Posted October 7, 2020 23 minutes ago, johnson4 said: It's really odd how similar that film looks to the Film that I have from other types of transfers. I wonder if the "magic" really is in the ink... I agree and my uneducated guess is a lot of this stuff is repurposed. It’s more likely the powder is the same as screen print powder than it being some new formula. But that’s just my speculation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gualalasmooth Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 What printers can be modified for this DTF printing? Anyone have a list yet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 21 minutes ago, Gualalasmooth said: What printers can be modified for this DTF printing? Anyone have a list yet? Pretty much the same as DTG with white ink. You need refillable cartridges, RIP software and CMYK + White Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uhim Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 I have a question; The film is sold for one dollar for A3 format, I could not find it cheap. Is the film reusable? or can it only be used once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, uhim said: I have a question; The film is sold for one dollar for A3 format, I could not find it cheap. Is the film reusable? or can it only be used once? I haven't tried but sometimes it gets wrinkled during use. But yes the price of film does make it tougher to compete with DTG on large prints. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 8, 2020 Share Posted October 8, 2020 1 hour ago, uhim said: I have a question; The film is sold for one dollar for A3 format, I could not find it cheap. Is the film reusable? or can it only be used once? From what I would assume, it has a coating that will peel off with the print. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skwakk Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 Hey Andy, what about ink maintenance? Are DTF inks easier on the printhead? Do you need to shake the white too to prevent separation? I was google translating the comments on that Hobby Print video and I think I remember him saying DTF inks clog less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 36 minutes ago, skwakk said: Hey Andy, what about ink maintenance? Are DTF inks easier on the printhead? Do you need to shake the white too to prevent separation? I was google translating the comments on that Hobby Print video and I think I remember him saying DTF inks clog less. The claim is the white is less clogging, I don't know. It separates the same as DTG inks. See the attached picture. This is after a couple day sitting without use The light print is the first print and the white print is after an ink charge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 The more I use this I see that it has some pros and cons but is in no way a "revolutionary" technique that will disrupt the industry but be an add on. The ideal situation will be to get this working with DTG inks so you can print DTG and DTF with the same inkset and broaden the range of items you can print with DTG equipment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeeman2000 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 2 hours ago, Andy - Admin said: The more I use this I see that it has some pros and cons but is in no way a "revolutionary" technique that will disrupt the industry but be an add on. The ideal situation will be to get this working with DTG inks so you can print DTG and DTF with the same inkset and broaden the range of items you can print with DTG equipment This is my thought exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 9, 2020 Share Posted October 9, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, mikeeman2000 said: This is my thought exactly. Agreed, So what happens when you use regular DTG ink? By the way i Absolutely love how honest you are being about it, Shocking to me since almost anyone selling the stuff will say what they need, to get you to buy. Definitely gives me more piece of mind of any future products you may carry. Edited October 9, 2020 by johnson4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jhumet Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 OK so if it's not DTG ink and it's not Plastisol what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 46 minutes ago, Jhumet said: OK so if it's not DTG ink and it's not Plastisol what is it? From The information I've read on the internet, Both. Though the DTG use would be for cotton only it said. I doubt they would tell people exactly what it is, in fear of it being reproduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 13, 2020 Share Posted October 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Jhumet said: OK so if it's not DTG ink and it's not Plastisol what is it? It's a water based ink that is similar to DTG inks. Plastisol is completely different than inkjet inks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 4 hours ago, Andy - Admin said: It's a water based ink that is similar to DTG inks. Plastisol is completely different than inkjet inks Yea, it’s weird they advertised it as plastisol ink. Seems like that’s going to create confusion for awhile, note my less than helpful comment above. I should have the samples Tomorrow. if you had to guess, what ink percentage would you use in EK with this product to start off with? Seems like it would need to be much less than normal, don’t want to end up with a pool of ink everywhere the first go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 38 minutes ago, johnson4 said: Yea, it’s weird they advertised it as plastisol ink. Seems like that’s going to create confusion for awhile, note my less than helpful comment above. I should have the samples Tomorrow. if you had to guess, what ink percentage would you use in EK with this product to start off with? Seems like it would need to be much less than normal, don’t want to end up with a pool of ink everywhere the first go around. With Kothari it's not much less than DTG. I'd start with your DTG settings and check the box to print color first. Then adjust from there 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnson4 Posted October 14, 2020 Share Posted October 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Andy - Admin said: With Kothari it's not much less than DTG. I'd start with your DTG settings and check the box to print color first. Then adjust from there Thanks, I had planned to use Kothari originally, But I can't find any P600's for sale anywhere under $1400 and don't want to sacrifice my only spare, just in case. so I ended up needing to use one of the P800's. By the way, If anyone intends on using a P800, removing the " pizza wheels" requires no tear down. Just a flat head screwdriver and about 2 minutes to pop them off, Which i'm not certain is even necessary if you use the front loading function. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonmusa Posted October 18, 2020 Share Posted October 18, 2020 Wear i could find DTF supply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy - Admin Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 6 hours ago, Jonmusa said: Wear i could find DTF supply https://store.opendtg.com/collections/dtf we will have more selection of film sizes this week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricardo Carrillo Posted October 19, 2020 Share Posted October 19, 2020 On 10/5/2020 at 12:11 AM, Andy - Admin said: Hi Andy, i am new here. Where you sell your supplys? I’ve only done 1 wash so far and it’s fine. A trusted customer of mine has been using the supplies I have for a couple months with good results. Yes we will be selling the DTF supplies, I already have some inventory and will list it in the online store after a bit more testing. DTF Ink prices will match our DTG ink prices. I see DTF as another decorating option that will work for some people and not others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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